What to do with all the terrible news about our planet? Scientist Rob Muir‘s “Environmental Dialogues” interviews UK philosopher Rupert Read & academic-gone-activist Alison Green about the Extinction Rebellion. Anna Jane Joyner & Mary Anne Hitt podcast “No Place Like Home” fights off eco-anxiety. It helped me. Radio Ecoshock 190320

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We begin with Anna Jane Joyner & Mary Anne Hitt and their help-filled podcast “No Place Like Home”, supported by the Sierra Club. The producer is Zach Mack. Get all episodes free on Itunes. Or you can listen on Soundcloud here. Scroll through the episodes. There are some great shows here, with some climate thought-leaders you have heard about, and a lot more new thinkers you should hear from.

In this episode Anna Jane has clips from an interview with Dr. Renee Lertzman, the well-known environmental psychologist. The interview with Renee was recorded at the Global Climate Action Summit in San Francisco, September 2018. Renee Lertzman does a lot of lectures helping anyone with environmental anxiety cope. She refers to the “Three A’s”: Anxiety, Ambivalence, and Aspiration.

As Anna Jane says “trying to save humanity for this suicide mission is intense emotionally“, so all of us need to watch our mental health. That includes Radio Ecoshock listeners! Mary Anne used to work on environmental issues in New York City, and even experienced panic attacks. She moved to Texas, where she experienced hurricanes and flooding instead.

You can keep up with Anna Jane and Mary Anne with their Twitter feed: @nplhpodcast




Now we get the latest on the Extinction Rebellion, courtesy of Rob Muir and his show “Environmental Dialogues” as broadcast on The VoiceAmerica Variety Channel. Dr. Rob Muir is President and Executive Director of the Ocean River Institute based in Cambridge Massachusets.

Dr. Rob Muir, Ocean River Institute

Alison Green is a UK cognitive psychologist. She is a former Pro Vice-Chancellor at Arden University. She left that distinguished career in academia to become a full-time climate activist!

Dr. Alison Green, UK activist

According to Wikipedia,Rupert Read is an academic and a Green Party politician in England. He is Chair of the Green House thinktank, a former Green Party spokesperson for transport, former East of England party co-ordinator and currently a Reader in Philosophy at the University of East Anglia.

Dr. Rupert Read, UK

Rupert and Alison give us a look into the “history” of Extinction Rebellion (which just started less than a year ago) with founders Roger Hallam and Gail Bradbrook. Roger is a researcher at Kings College London and Gail is an activist, not only for the environment but for the disabled.

The Rebellion began officially with a Declaration on October 31, 2018

Declaration of Rebellion


Extinction Rebellion is calling for a Citizen’s Assembly to oversee the rapid massive change over the economy to a zero emissions world. They demand we go carbon net zero by 2015. Is that “realistic” perhaps not. Is it what we need to have a future where our children can survive in a good world? Totally. In the interview, Rupert Read says elected representative government “has failed” and we need to choose our representatives by “sortition”. Wiki says this about Sortition:

In governance, sortition (also known as selection by lot, allotment, or demarchy) is the selection of political officials as a random sample from a larger pool of candidates, a system intended to ensure that all competent and interested parties have an equal chance of holding public office. It also minimizes factionalism, since there would be no point making promises to win over key constituencies if one was to be chosen by lot, while elections, by contrast, foster it. In ancient Athenian democracy, sortition was the traditional and primary method for appointing political officials, and its use was regarded as a principal characteristic of democracy.

Today, sortition is commonly used to select prospective jurors in common law-based legal systems and is sometimes used in forming citizen groups with political advisory power (citizens’ juries or citizens’ assemblies).”

Really? Random selection from the public, and then we give them some “education” and let them decide? With no test of public governance, experience, or basis in merit? I think that is doubtful but Rupert Read says “Frankly, they couldn’t do any worse than the current politicians“.

Alison talks about Labour Councillor Skeena Rathor as heart of Extinction Rebellion.

This “Rebellion” is absolutely non-violent. It calls for a return to “real democracy”, and a recognition that our current political and economic systems (a) cannot save us and (b) are destined to destroy us. Mass civil disobedience is required to force the needed changes.


The first big protest was “the bridges event” in London. On November 17, 2019, thousands of people joined in downtown London. They stepped into the roadways to block five main bridge into the city. In a follow-up, on November 24th, protesters dug up part of Parliament Square and planted trees there. The group carried a casket. Rupert Read says feelings of grief, loss and terror have been suppressed in the environmental movement for too long. Not it is time to tell the awful truth about not just climate change, but the mass extinction of the species and the destruction of the world environment by humans. We must face the reality of what we have done – but no one should “accept” extinction!

On December 9, the group published a letter signed by 100 academics, authors, politicians and campaigners supporting the need for immediate action. Topping the list of signatories were big names like Dr Vandana Shiva, Naomi Klein, Noam Chomsky, and Bill McKibben. At last count, there are now Extinction Rebellion groups in 127 countries (all in the last 5 months!)

You can find Rob Muir’s full 52 minute broadcast, with more from Alison Green and Dr. Rob Muir, at oceanriver.org. To get this and other free podcasts, Click on Radio at oceanriver.org, or listen on The VoiceAmerica Variety Channel live every Thursday at 12 Noon Pacific Time.


I hope Greta Thunberg gets that Nobel Prize. Over a million people in over 100 countries joined her school strike on Friday March 15th. Now we need the parents to listen, and start acting to save the future.

Oh, and although this Tweet was meant for Trump, but I read it also in terms of climate change:

“JEN KIRKMAN @JenKirkman

‘History won’t be good to these people.’ History?? That’s some cold comfort. We’ll be dead! Let’s try taking their asses out of power now so we don’t have to become weird ghosts showing up in libraries trying to see that history we were promised.”

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